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Answer to the Letters of Petilian

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  3. Augustin, to the well-beloved brethren that belong to the care of our charge, greeting in…
  4. Whence, then, is a man to be cleansed who receives baptism, when the conscience of the …
  5. For, so long as they escaped detection, they could not bestow faith on any whom they …
  6. Wherefore, if they were in error, and would have perished had they not been corrected, …
  7. We ask, therefore, since he says, “He who receives faith from the faithless receives not …
  8. Wherefore, whether a man receive the sacrament of baptism from a faithful or a faithless …
  9. But if it is perfect madness to hold such a view (for it is Christ always that justifieth…
  10. When he hears, “Every good tree bringeth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth …
  11. Again, when he hears, “He that is washed by one dead, his washing profiteth him nought,” …
  12. Lastly, if they are willing to give the name of dead neither to the wicked man whose sin …
  13. Of these I would ask, whether by coming to their sea they were restored to life, or …
  14. But our brethren themselves, the sons of the aforesaid churches, were both ignorant at …
  15. If, in the interests of the unity of the party of Donatus, no one rebaptizes those who …
  16. Therefore, brethren, let it suffice us that they should be admonished and corrected on …
  17. Look at the states of Musti and Assura: there are many still remaining in this life and …
  18. As for the words which follow in his letter, the writer himself could scarcely fail to …
  19. Then he further adds: “Both are without the life of baptism, both he who never had it at …
  20. He says: “You who are a most abandoned traditor have come out in the character of a …
  21. What, then, does he mean by quoting in his letter the words with which our Lord addressed…
  22. Wherefore all this about the generation of vipers, and the poison of asps under their …
  23. Lastly, it has been said, as he himself has also quoted, “Ye shall know them by their …
  24. What if the holy and true Church of Christ were to convince and overcome you, even if we …
  25. In conclusion, the Testament is said to have been given to the flames by certain men in …
  26. But let us turn to the consideration of your fruits. I pass over the tyrannous exercise …
  27. I think that I have left unanswered none of the statements in the letter of Donatus, so …
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  29. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, though that error is exposed and overcome in many ways, …
  30. Finally, they think that the question of baptism is hidden, with which they deceive …
  31. These things, brethren, I would have you retain as the basis of your action and preaching…
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  33. That we made a full and sufficient answer to the first part of the letter of Petilianus, …
  34. Petilianus said: “Those who have polluted their souls with a guilty laver, under the name…
  35. Petilianus said: “For what we look to is the conscience of the giver, to cleanse that of …
  36. Petilianus said: “For he who receives faith from the faithless, receives not faith but …
  37. Petilianus said: “For everything consists of an origin and root; and if it have not …
  38. Petilianus said: “This being the case, brethren, what perversity must it be, that he who …
  39. Petilianus said: “And again, ‘He who is baptized by one that is dead, his washing …
  40. Petilianus said: “We must consider, I say, and declare how far the treacherous traditor …
  41. Petilianus said: “Hemmed in, therefore, by these offenses, you cannot be a true bishop.”
  42. Petilianus said: “Did the apostle persecute any one? or did Christ betray any one?”
  43. Petilianus said: “Yet some will be found to say, We are not the sons of a traditor. Any …
  44. Petilianus said: “The Lord Jesus said to the Jews concerning Himself, ‘If I do not the …
  45. Petilianus said: Over and over again He reproaches the false speakers and liars in such …
  46. Petilianus said: “In the third place, also, He calls the madness of persecutors in like …
  47. Petilianus said: “David also spoke of you as persecutors in the following terms: ‘Their …
  48. Petilianus said: “The Lord Christ also warns us, saying, Beware of False Prophets, Which …
  49. Petilianus said: “Thus, thus, thou wicked persecutor, under whatsoever cloak of …
  50. Petilianus said: “Nor is it, after all, so strange that you assume to yourself the name …
  51. Petilianus said: “The Lord Jesus Christ commands us, saying, ‘When they persecute you in …
  52. Petilianus said: “The Lord Christ cries again from heaven to Paul, ‘Saul, Saul, why …
  53. Petilianus said: “Accordingly, as we have said, the Lord Christ cried, ‘Saul, Saul, why …
  54. Petilianus said: “It may be urged that Christ said to His apostles, as you are constantly…
  55. Petilianus said: “But if you say that we give baptism twice over, truly it is rather you …
  56. Petilianus said: “But you will answer that you abide by the same declaration, ‘He that is…
  57. Petilianus said: “For when you in your guilt perform what is false, I do not celebrate …
  58. Petilianus said: “For if you mix what is false with what is true, falsehood often …
  59. Petilianus said: “It will be urged against us, that the Apostle Paul said, ‘One Lord, one…
  60. Petilianus said: “But yet, if I may be allowed the comparison, it is certain that the sun…
  61. Petilianus said: “But to pass rapidly through these minor points: can he be said to lay …
  62. Petilianus said: “Or if any one chance to recollect the chants of a priest, is he …
  63. Petilianus said: “For there is no power but of God,” none in any man of power; as the …
  64. Petilianus said: “For although there is only one baptism, yet it is consecrated in three …
  65. Petilianus said: “But that I may thoroughly investigate the baptism in the name of the …
  66. Petilianus said: “For if the apostles were allowed to baptize those whom John had washed …
  67. Petilianus said: “Nor indeed will it be possible that the Holy Spirit should be implanted…
  68. Petilianus said: “Which Holy Spirit certainly cannot come on you, who have not been …
  69. Petilianus said: “But that the truth of this may be made manifest from the apostles, we …
  70. Petilianus said: “If you declare that you hold the Catholic Church, the word ‘catholic’ …
  71. Petilianus said: “But there is no fellowship of darkness with light, nor any fellowship …
  72. Petilianus said: “Paul the apostle also bids us, ‘Be ye not unequally yoked with …
  73. Petilianus said: “And, again, he taught us that schisms should not arise, in the …
  74. Petilianus said: “If Paul uttered these words to the unlearned and to the righteous, I …
  75. Petilianus said: “Can it be that the traitor Judas hung himself for you, or did he imbue …
  76. Petilianus said: “For we, as it is written, when we are baptized, put on Christ who was …
  77. Petilianus said: “But if these are the parties, the name of member of a party is no …
  78. Petilianus said: “In the first Psalm David separates the blessed from the impious, not …
  79. Petilianus said: “But the same Psalmist has sung the praises of our baptism. ‘The Lord is…
  80. Petilianus said: “Yet that you should not call yourselves holy, in the first place, I …
  81. Petilianus said: “For, granting that you faithless ones are acquainted with the law, …
  82. Petilianus said: “But that we may destroy your arguments one by one, if you call …
  83. Petilianus said: “If you wretched men claim for yourselves a seat, as we said before, you…
  84. Petilianus said: “If you suppose that you can offer sacrifice, God Himself thus speaks of…
  85. Petilianus said: “If you make prayer to God, or utter supplication, it profits you …
  86. Petilianus said: “But if it should so happen, though whether it be so I cannot say, that …
  87. Petilianus said: “Even though you do very virtuous actions, and perform miraculous works,…
  88. Petilianus said: “But even if, as you yourselves suppose, you are following the law of …
  89. Petilianus said: “It is written, ‘Thou shalt not commit adultery.’ Each one of you, even …
  90. Petilianus said: “It is written, ‘Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy …
  91. Petilianus said: “It is written, ‘Thou shalt not covet anything that is thy neighbor’s.’ …
  92. Petilianus said: “Under what law, then, do you make out that you are Christians, seeing …
  93. Petilianus said: “But the Lord Christ says, ‘Whosoever shall do and teach them, the same …
  94. Petilianus said: “And again it is written, ‘Every sin which a man shall sin is without …
  95. Petilianus said: “But wherein do you fulfill the commandments of God? The Lord Christ …
  96. Petilianus said: “‘Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.’ You …
  97. Petilianus said: “‘Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.’ You, our …
  98. Petilianus said: “‘Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for …
  99. Petilianus said: “‘Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.’ But how shall …
  100. Petilianus said: “‘Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.’ When will you …
  101. Petilianus said: “‘Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of …
  102. Petilianus said: “Though the Apostle Paul says, ‘I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, …
  103. Petilianus said: “To you the prophet says, ‘Peace, peace; and where is there peace?’”
  104. Petilianus said: “‘Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake; for …
  105. Petilianus said: “Since then you are not blessed by falsifying the commands of God, the …
  106. Petilianus said: “But these things do not alarm us Christians; for of the evil deeds …
  107. Petilianus said: “O wretched traditors! Thus indeed it was fitting that Scripture should …
  108. Petilianus said: “But to us the Lord Christ, in opposition to your deadly commands, …
  109. Petilianus said: “Paul also, the apostle, whilst he was suffering fearful persecutions at…
  110. Petilianus said: “For what kind of faith is that which is in you which is devoid of …
  111. Petilianus said: “And again, ‘Charity suffereth long, and is kind charity envieth not; …
  112. Petilianus said: “Lastly, what is the justification of persecution? I ask you, you …
  113. Petilianus said: “But I answer you, on the other hand, that Jesus Christ never persecuted…
  114. Petilianus said: “But the holy apostle said this: ‘In any way, whatsoever it may be,’ he …
  115. Petilianus said: “If then there are not some to whom all this power of faith is found to …
  116. Petilianus said: “But if authority had been given by some law for persons to be compelled…
  117. Petilianus said: “For the Lord Christ says, ‘No man can come to me, except the Father …
  118. Petilianus said: “Is it then the case that God has ordered the massacre even of …
  119. Petilianus said: “For neither has the Lord God at any time rejoiced in human blood, …
  120. Petilianus said: “We advise you, therefore, if so be that you will hear it willingly, and…
  121. Petilianus said: “Here you have the fullest possible proof that a Christian may take no …
  122. Petilianus said: “Therefore I say, He ordained that we should undergo death for the …
  123. Petilianus said: “But you scatter thorns and tares, not seeds of corn so that you ought …
  124. Petilianus said: “Where is the saying of the Lord Christ, ‘Whosoever shall smite thee on …
  125. Petilianus said: “But what have you to do with the kings of this world, in whom …
  126. Petilianus said: “Where is the law of God? where is your Christianity, if you not only …
  127. Petilianus said: “If you wish that we should be your friends, why do you drag us to you …
  128. Petilianus said: “But what reason is there, or what inconsistency of emptiness, in …
  129. Petilianus said: “Choose, in short, which of the two alternatives you prefer. If …
  130. Petilianus said: “Lastly, as we have often said before, how great is your presumption, …
  131. Petilianus said: “On you, yes you, you wretched men, I call, who, being dismayed with the…
  132. Petilianus said: “But we who are poor in spirit are not apprehensive for our wealth, but …
  133. Petilianus said: “Inasmuch as we live in the fear of God, we have no fear of the …
  134. Petilianus said: “You, therefore, who prefer rather to be washed with the most false of …
  135. Petilianus said: “Imitate indeed the prophets, who feared to have their holy souls …
  136. Petilianus said: “David also said, ‘The oil of the sinner shall not anoint my head.’ Who …
  137. Petilianus said: “But he thus praises the ointment of concord among brethren: ‘Behold how…
  138. Petilianus said: “Woe unto you, therefore, who, by doing violence to what is holy, cut …
  139. Petilianus said: “And that none who is a layman may claim to be free from sin, they are …
  140. Petilianus said: “By this sentence, again, the apostle places in the same category those …
  141. Petilianus said: “Come therefore to the Church, all ye people, and flee the company of …
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  143. Being able to read, Petilianus, I have read your letter, in which you have shown with …
  144. Hear therefore, all ye who have read his revilings, what Petilianus has vented against me…
  145. These comparisons of the gospel you doubtless recognize. Nor can we suppose them given …
  146. Nor would I therefore be understood to urge that ecclesiastical discipline should be set …
  147. Do you, therefore, holy scions of our one Catholic mother, beware with all the …
  148. Furthermore, whether concerning Christ, or concerning His Church, or any other matter …
  149. Whilst we bear the testimony of God to this and the like effect against the vain speaking…
  150. Nor is it only you that are safe, whatever we may be, because you are satisfied with the …
  151. Therefore, as I have often said before, and am desirous to bring home to you, whatsoever …
  152. Let these things suffice you, my beloved Christian brethren of the Catholic Church, so …
  153. What wonder is it then, if, when I draw in the grain that has been shaken forth from the …
  154. For I am a man of the threshing-floor of Christ: if a bad man, then part of the chaff; if…
  155. If, therefore, I am a servant of the Lord, and a soldier that is not reprobate, with …
  156. Furthermore, if I have obtained from you, in accordance with my earnest endeavors, that, …
  157. Read now the most profuse revilings which he has poured forth whilst puffed up with …
  158. Let him go now, and with panting lungs and swollen throat find fault with me as a mere …
  159. Let him further go on, in his discourse of many but manifestly empty words, to matters of…
  160. Certainly in all these things, as you can learn or refresh your memory by reading his …
  161. For perhaps some one of you will say to me, All these things which he said against you he…
  162. All these statements in my letter Petilianus set before himself for refutation. Let us …
  163. But see, when he is reduced to straits in the argument, he again makes an attack on me …
  164. Lastly, if these two or three words, What if, and Possibly, are so absolutely …
  165. And, in the first place, with regard to that first expression, “Of him who gives in …
  166. Whatever, therefore, he finds in these two words,—whether he brings calumnious …
  167. And yet Petilianus, to avoid answering what I have said, sets before himself what I have …
  168. But why do we make inquiry into these points? Why do we both suffer and cause unnecessary…
  169. But this is not what we are now inquiring. Let him rather answer (what he wanders off …
  170. This is what we look upon with horror in your party; this is what the sentence of God …
  171. I entreat of you, pay attention to this: I ask where the means shall be found for …
  172. Accordingly this precedent is wholly without bearing on the matter in hand. We might …
  173. “And where,” he says, “is the word that I added, wittingly? so that I did not say, He …
  174. What shall we say of what he himself advanced in his epistle, that “Quodvultdeus, having …
  175. See now how Petilianus, to avoid answering this question, or to avoid being proved to be …
  176. Petilianus quotes also the warning of the Apostle John, that we should not believe every …
  177. Was the water administered by this man not lying? or is the oil of the fornicator not the…
  178. But after this, when Petilianus came to that objection of ours, that they allowed the …
  179. Furthermore, according to our tenets, neither he of whom Petilianus said that he was cast…
  180. For, to pass over others dwelling in different quarters of the earth,- for you will …
  181. But as for you, when the case of the followers of Maximianus is brought up against you, …
  182. For if the baptism which Praetextatus and Felicianus administered in the communion of …
  183. Lastly, he has ended his epistle with an exhortation and warning to his own party, that …
  184. For what I just now said is put with the greatest clearness in that very epistle of mine,…
  185. These things, I think, I put with clearness and truth in my former epistle, when I made …
  186. Then a little after, as he had said, “This being so, brethren, what perversity must that …
  187. But that neither he nor any one of you might say that, when any one of concealed bad …
  188. Now, seeing that when Petilianus attributes this to me as though it were my opinion, he …
  189. Furthermore, in like manner as those who denied the resurrection of the dead could in no …
  190. When we ask, therefore, by what means the man is to be cleansed whom you do not baptize …
  191. Do not therefore any longer say, “The conscience of one that gives in holiness is what we…
  192. But if it is clear that Petilianus has made no answer to those first words of my epistle,…
  193. Next, listen for a short time to the kind of way in which he has tried to use, in his own…
  194. But if you wish to see that the object of Petilianus in his writings really was to prove …
  195. Then who is there that could fail to perceive from what a vein of conceit it proceeds, …
  196. Finally, again, a little afterwards, when he resolved and was firmly purposed, as it …
  197. A minister, therefore, that is a dispenser of the word and sacrament of the gospel, if he…
  198. And if this is rightly said of the gospel, with how much greater certainty should it be …
  199. Furthermore, if, while I have continued without intermission to prove how entirely the …
  200. For when he quoted a passage from the gospel as making against us, where our Lord says, …
  201. But according to all these four hypotheses, the truth is on the side of the communion of …